Why are Batman Forever and Batman and Robin criticized so much as movies?
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February 13th, 2010 at 4:01 am
I take it you like both movies, so I’ll play a little devil’s advocate with you:
First, I think it’s a mistake for people to lump them both together. I did *not* think Batman Forever was that bad at all, really. It was a respectable effort based on some modern comic book takes. (Remember, Batman has been in multiple books for most of a century). It wasn’t as serious or dark as I would have liked, but I thought the writing was acceptable and in some ways quite good. It would have been better if Lee and Jan Batchler’s script had been left alone, and Akiva Goldsman hadn’t been allowed to monkey with it.
Batman And Robin, different story entirely.
Remember, "A bad movie can be made out of a good script, but never the reverse." Everything always begins with a script. And Akiva Goldsman’s script was absolutely vomitous. He does well when he’s adapting someone else’s book, i.e., A Time To Kill, A Beautiful Mind. But when he has to write something for the screen from ground zero on his own–Lost In Space, Batman And Robin–the results are downright awful.
Next, I for one just don’t care for gay movies. Batman Forever flirted with it, but Batman And Robin just jumped in the sac and went hog wild: The nipples weren’t the half of it. (This has nothing to do with gay people, so please don’t anyone go all off-topic and start calling me names.)
–It’s just, for me, all the flashy colors, all the neon, gratuitous butt shots, gratuitous crotch shots…it’s just not my cup of tea. Tomato, tomatoe. Such a treatment certainly didn’t belong in the dark, foreboding world of The Batman. Batman has an established canon that cannot be messed with in good faith by anyone.
"Yea, but what about the 60’s?"
–The TV show was a reflection of what the comics were like in the 60s! And good for it! We all love it for its nostalgia! *But that was also 50 years ago!!!"
Batman is not, was never, all about the visuals. I hate Tim Burton’s take on it every bit as much as Schumacher’s. (However, I didn’t think Batman Returns and Batman Forever were nearly as bad as Batman, and Batman And Robin. The difference was in *the writers*.) Batman has a rich and glorious legacy that is 110% about *story*. No one but an accomplished storyteller has any business touching it.
…And to that end, for the perfect cinematic take on Batman, look no further than the master himself, Chris Nolan. Batman Begins and The Dark Knight were both perfect in every detail. Batman fans the world over owe him a debt of gratitude, and all need to lean on Warner Bros: they should get Nolan back for future films, and pay him whatever he wants.
February 13th, 2010 at 4:01 am
Because the 90s were about angst. No one wanted to see goofy Bat-Nipples and other crap. Plus, you can’t change a well established history that the Batman has and change it up like Schumacher was doing.
Plus, both movies had the worst acting…plus, I wish to god movie makers would stop cramming villains into movies!!! 1 villain is great, 2 is ok, 3 is reboot of the franchise,..
February 13th, 2010 at 4:01 am
Batman forever had a bad goofy story and Batman and Robin had a bad story, bad acting and george clooney
February 13th, 2010 at 4:01 am
They were both god awful superhero films with terrible acting and dialog and i agree with one of the answers above me ,why do you have to have multiple villains ? !
These were the two films that hurt the Batman franchise but thanks to Christopher Nolan he brought it back with a vengeance .